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Posted: December 30, 2010 in Uncategorized

This is a response to Joshua Zmarko:

With all due respect it makes no sense to quote the bible when trying to talk to an atheist as to everyone but those who “believe” it holds no credibility. So to base your definition of faith on the bible is a little misguided. Faith is the belief of something in the absence of any credible evidence.

You said: “Now this is what I can’t understand…. WHY people today put all their FAITH into a THEARY!!! That makes NO SENSE…. And this theary is younger than ANY RELIGION on the whole PLANET…… And by the way…. the whole concept of this idea comes from…..THE BIBLE… which was written over 7000 years ago….”

As you say you can’t understand hopefully I can help you understand: I’m not sure what theory you’re referring to but I think you mean evolution. While Darwin didn’t work out everything the general concept of evolution has been proven, it is no longer a theory. This is the view of the scientific community and the only people who claim it is still a “theory” are those for who it conflicts with their religion. Gravity was once a “theory” but the evidence clearly proves it is real. The evidence for evolution has been WELL documented so if you choose to ignore it that’s your choice but it’s akin to choosing to believe the sky is green.

Nobody is putting faith in evolution because by definition faith requires a lack of evidence and so, since science is based on the study OF evidence and there is mountains of evidence for evolution it’s not an issue of faith.

The age of the “theory” has no relevance at all. Do you realise what you’re saying? That they were more likely to have gotten it right 7,000 years ago when they wrote the bible? Since the bible was written thousands of years and billions of hours of scientific study and research have passed. The result of which is evidence that much of what the bible says is incorrect; that we CLEARLY don’t descend from “Adam & Eve”; that Noah didn’t build an ark and the earth didn’t flood; that there was no parting of the sea; etc etc.

Discussing any of this is impossible if you simply pretend the evidence hasn’t been discovered.

Firstly I’d like to apologise for the lack of updates recently. Various situations in my family life have interfered with the time I usually give to my blog.

The Guardian today reported that the Advertising Standards Authority recently saw a 10% rise in complaints.

Near the top of their complaints list were the advertising campaigns from both the British Humanist Association and the Christian Party.

The Christian Party’s ads, which arrogantly stated “There definitely is a God – So join the Christian Party and enjoy your life” were a response to the British Humanist Association’s “There probably is no God – So stop worrying and enjoy your life”.

Not the difference there: probably. I’m constantly amazed at the level of delusion and arrogance from the religious; that they believe they know there definitely is a God. I don’t believe there is a God and I’ll gladly explain why but I know I can never say there definitely is not.

What is interesting is the vigour at which the Christian campaigners tried to stop the original atheist campaign. They tried to argue that the claims broke advertising code and could not be substantiated. Thankfully the ASA told them where to go and said they couldn’t intervene without being required to decide on the existence of God.

The Christians then, when faced with defeat, retaliated by making claims that are even more difficult to substantiate: that God “definitely” exists. Funny how one minute they’re complaining and the next they’re going even further than those they were complaining about. It’s significant that the Christian ad topped the list while the atheism ad came sixth. Maybe they shouldn’t have said “definitely”.

The fact both of these ads came high on the list shows that in this country we really don’t like talking about religion. We want to keep it private and don’t want to think about the realities of the universe. These realities clearly show us that all the main religions are human creations with no basis in fact and this raises uncomfortable questions for many. We definitely don’t like being reminded when we look at a bus.

I hope more of these ads emerge. They raise consciousness and get people talking. I have no doubt that if both camps do advertise more the atheists will continue their respectful stance in acknowledging there is no definite answer; and the religious loons will continue proclaiming they absolutely, totally, utterly, definitely know that God exists and the sooner we join their religion the happier we’ll be.

Imagine a school where every child, regardless of background, is forced to worship Jesus by their teachers and where children learn about no other religion than Christianity. In this school kids answer science exam questions about Adam and Eve and are slapped by teachers if they do something wrong. Sex education is limited to telling the kids they should stay celibate until they’re married. Oh, and they must marry the opposite sex only. If asked about the rights and wrongs of homosexuality, teachers are required to condemn it and inform the child it is an inappropriate choice of lifestyle.

The picture I’ve just painted sounds like Britain a few decades ago. It sounds like a version Britain most of us have now turned our backs on. But I have not just taken you back in time, I have taken you to the Britain of Reverend George Hargreaves.

Who? I hear you say. George Hargreaves is a millionaire songwriter and also the leader of the Christian Party, a right-wing extremist Christian party. Ironically, George made his fortune by writing “So Macho”, the huge gay anthem of the 80s, in his days of being a ‘sinner’.

At this weeks election the Christian party received more than 18,000 votes. In previous elections their numbers have been even higher, getting more than 50,000 at the European election in 2005 and more than 26,000 in the 2007 Scottish election. Granted this is nowhere near the half a million BNP votes cast this week but it still shows there is a significant amount of people in favour of this version of Britain.

This is proof, if ever we needed it, of the need for a separation of religion and politics. A quick glance at the Christian Party manifesto provides yet more proof:

  • The Christian Party would attempt to repeal discrimination laws, including laws that protect people from racism and homophobia.
  • They would reintroduce Section 28 forcing teachers to condemn homosexuality.
  • They would put a blanket ban on anybody not in a heterosexual marriage adopting.
  • They would attempt to completely ban abortion.
  • They would force the worship of the Christian God and stop schools teaching about other religions.
  • They would leave sex education to parents and  teach secondary school kids that “chastity before marriage” is “the best and safest sexual practice”.
  • They would bring back “supervised corporal punishment” in schools.
  • They would bring back parent’s right to beat their children (spare the rod spoil the child and all that) including giving parents the right to “apply sanctions regarding sexual behaviour”, whatever that means.
  • They would force people to vote, and fine them if they don’t.

It’s important to point out that this lunatics will never get enough support to take over the country, the BNP are nowhere near getting any power and they got 500,000 votes this time round. But that is not the point. If we reform our voting system, in favour of  proportional representation, then these people would have even more chance of getting seats. It only takes one seat in parliament to start exerting influence and the religious right-wing is growing, in this country and all over the world.

Britain has grown up. We have accepted equality above dogma. We have moulded our moral and legal positions to suit the needs of society and not to fulfill the mandate of an ancient story book.

I say Good riddance to the Christian Party and their depraved policies.

The scandal surrounded the election yesterday has made me so angry and it is an embarrassment to the country.

Hundreds of people were denied their right to vote when the lack of staff at polling stations meant they were queuing round the block. Many stood in the rain for hours to find themselves turned away because they couldn’t get in before 10pm when the polls close. Others found the polling station had run out of ballot papers anbd had to wait for new ones to come which didn’t leave enough time for them all to vote. Some people found they weren’t even on the list despite actually being registered because the staff had an out of date list!

There has been an absolute shambles of organisation and there is nothing at all that can be said to justify it. To deny people of their right to vote in a “1st world” country for no other reason than the staff weren’t organised enough is disgusting.

In my opinion this is worthy of calling another election. We’re not talking about a couple of people here, HUNDREDS were denied their chance to vote through no fault of their own.

I’m no solicitor but if they have a legal right to something surely they can’t be denied that right without some sort of consequence.

It is somewhat befitting of the past few years of shambolic government that they would be ousted in what is turning out to be a shambolic election.